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How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Mon, 16 October 2006 00:13 Go to next message
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just wondering

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Mon, 16 October 2006 02:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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knightpraetor wrote on Mon, 16 October 2006 06:13

How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming

It saves 100 resources. I'd say at least half. But that's impractical to measure. Maybe 1 planet terraformed for 1 high tech level?

However your question isn't very criticall, as CA is mostly banned, or allowed in team games. In both cases you don't pay them for terra. Wink

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Mon, 16 October 2006 02:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ah ok..well i plan to ban them the next game, but i didn't realize they were quite this overpowered till it came out naturally. so i figured i might as well offer to buy some terraforming..till an alliance forms to crush them

but i meant if they wish to be paid in minerals

[Updated on: Mon, 16 October 2006 02:42]

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Mon, 16 October 2006 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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still no response..i'm just looking for a range in minerals. i only have about 1600 kTminerals in range to trade with but i'm wondering how much to send

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Mon, 16 October 2006 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One thing to think about - if they can terraform beyond your (expected) abilities that is more valuable.

If you've only got 1600kt to play with, you are better off not buying any terra off them at all... Once again - you don't want to be caught short on minerals if a fight breaks out near you. Also those 1600kt are your key to your mineral fountain - until you have a decent number of remote miners you probably can't afford to give away minerals for resources. (I'm assuming you are talking about your AR race.)

I'd offer tech levels of value around 50 to 100 points resources per tick of terraforming instead.

If he *really* needs minerals badly, then offer to buy the terraformers themselves... Cool

[Updated on: Mon, 16 October 2006 22:18]

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Tue, 17 October 2006 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just use the minerals to build bombers and get rid of 'em.

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Tue, 17 October 2006 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i was just counting my spare in minerals i don't need..honestly he said he doesn't need them either..which is probably true..he's doing fine..more than fine, but meh, i figured some token tribute will make him less likely to attack me first..give me a little more time to prepare..that he's going to want room soon is obvious..and i would prefer it if his invasion fleets chose a different target that's all

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Tue, 17 October 2006 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bargain.

Figure out what you'd really think was a great deal for you, without being too blatant, and offer that, and work on a deal from there. You may be surprised and have that first offer accepted.

Also, if possible you should buy the OA (Orbital Adjuster) ships outright, even though it ties up a slot, and your terraforming may not be as powerful.



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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Tue, 17 October 2006 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that's my big problem, how do people value minerals? I assume you don't just calculate it from MA conversion; should i use the amount of mines that i could build with the saved resources?

so take the 100 saved resources, divide by the # of resources to build a mine, and multiply by the number of minerals that it would produce in 1 turn. would that be how much the terraforming is saving me in mineral value? with mineral concentrations taken at the planet being terraformed.

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Tue, 17 October 2006 14:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A lot depends on situation, both yours and the CAs.

Just as a guess, I'd offer say 1000kT iron (or germ) for a 2 OA ship, and a LOT less for one tick of terraforming, maybe 2 to 5 kT.

However, I think you'd do better offering tech. I arranged a deal of 3 OA ships for 1 tech level in one game. There were 3 CAs so they had some competition (although the other 2 CAs ended up being my enemy...). I thought this deal was a great one for me.



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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Fri, 20 October 2006 00:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alliances don't form to crush them. Alliances form to glom onto them and get free terraforming themselves, making for entire teams that buy no terra against alliances that lack one and therefore have to pay for it all. CAs are a broken race in balance terms, and diplomacy does not in practice correct the problem.

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Sun, 22 October 2006 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JasonC wrote on Fri, 20 October 2006 06:36


Alliances don't form to crush them. Alliances form to glom onto them and get free terraforming themselves, making for entire teams that buy no terra against alliances that lack one and therefore have to pay for it all. CAs are a broken race in balance terms, and diplomacy does not in practice correct the problem.


@ Sorry Jason but Alliances are formed to crush Ca because they are a broken race in balance terms , saw it in the most games they was around ... get some OA and kill them is a good plan .

@ Knight

Dont buy terraforming from a Ca if you get his enemy the OA's will soon or later make your Planets Red again you should always try to get OA ships from him and use your own terraforming , the ships ( even if he becomes your enemy )you can still use even against him .

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Sun, 22 October 2006 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And I am seeing the reverse, bandwagoning, in a current game. It most definitely happens. Diplomacy does not balance the excessive strength of the CA PRT.

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Re: How much should one pay a CA per % point of terraforming Mon, 23 October 2006 05:20 Go to previous message
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JasonC wrote on Mon, 23 October 2006 02:34

Diplomacy does not balance the excessive strength of the CA PRT.

Most people agree with it and so CA is banned (or gravely crippled) in most games.

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