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Yet another good way to store and maintain information. Only that ... the forces apply like with starsfaq.com or all the rest (once so numerous) stars! pages. Some sturdy person got to maintain the server and the information there. It is not software but human factor that makes autohost exceptional in that light.

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One thing I've noticed from checking out Wikis is the fact that spam seems to be rampant. I know of one wiki I used to check regularly, where when looking at it's "Recently Edited Pages" list, 2/3 to 3/4 of the revisions would be marked, "reverted spam".

Often wiki maintainers try to use approaches to stop scripts and spam, but they have their problems. Some require logging in (the aforementioned wiki is now one of them) - but a spammer can just create throwaway accounts. Another approach is having people read the text in a graphic, although I think it's not good as it excludes the blind from using such a site , although in this case it's not really a big deal as probably only a sighted person can play Stars. There are some other ways (for example, have a person type in an answer to a question like "What is crr65536's username?" that a script would have to pretty smart to answer), but they still don't stop manual spamming.

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crr65536 wrote on Fri, 05 August 2005 03:28

Another approach is having people read the text in a graphic, although I think it's not good as it excludes the blind from using such a site , although in this case it's not really a big deal as probably only a sighted person can play Stars.

You would think so, he? Check this.

mch

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Fine. You go Wikipedia - I go Uncyclopedia.

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Sgt. Bulldog wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 20:36

Fine. You go Wikipedia - I go Uncyclopedia.

You're suggesting we take over a corner of THAT?!?

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There is a stars! wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars%21

I only found one problem w/ regard to linking. When you search under strategy games, that entry has no reference to 4X (there is an entry for 4x games on Wiki).

Should've taken the time to do something about it, but I'm at work and stars! isn't my highest priority at the moment.


Who knows, maybe links via wiki could help us expand the player base again...

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SinicalIdealist wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 18:11

There is a stars! wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars%21 I only found one problem w/ regard to linking. When you search under strategy games, that entry has no reference to 4X (there is an entry for 4x games on Wiki). Should've taken the time to do something about it, but I'm at work and stars! isn't my highest priority at the moment. Who knows, maybe links via wiki could help us expand the player base again...

It appears to me that that is not a full wiki, but rather a single page in a wiki (namely the wikipedia).

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I wrote on Fri, 05 August 2005 20:44

For the record, I PM'ed Ron about this very issue awhile back just before the Must Know section was added, with the idea that the sticky topics would eventually annoyingly clutter the top threads of the Academy and suggested a wiki as an alternative. We both agreed that "keeping it in the family" was better than taking over a piece of wikipedia and were concerned about the potential for wiki abuse. Afaik Ron is looking into the possibility of incorporating some method of restricting edit access to a wiki and linking it to HWF userbase. At the time I didn't really want to open it for general discussion myself as he's a busy man and probably doesn't need the pressure(besides... the stuff he already does is more important to us...well...me), and I for one am patient and willing to wait since I don't have the resources to kick start it myself.

Since writing the above my resources have improved, I've gained ADSL(god how did I survive so long on dial up ) and, as some of you may have noticed, I now have my own address and not just a hosted website, hosted on a box at a friend's place. I'm currently setting up a wiki using the MediaWiki software which I intend as a Stars! Wiki. Hopefully, all we need to do is upgrade one of the php extensions and it will be all go. I'll let you all know when its ready. Control systems and restricting edits etc will be a learning curve which I'm happy to deal with as it goes.

In the mean time, I'd like some input from everyone about the basic structure of the wiki. My only two thoughts so far are to copy the Stars! page at Wikipedia to use as a front page. This is very easy - a copy and paste from one editor to the other and then recreate the Stars! Help file, for the structure of the other wiki pages.

As an aside about survivability of the wiki should my resources ever diminish to the point that it becomes untenable, because it is composed of a mysql database with a php frontend, the entire wiki should be able to be moved to another host relatively easily.

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One idea for authentication is to give out wiki login accounts to those here on HWF that have attained a certain rank.

It would probably make more sense to host the wiki here on SAH website, but as you said it would be easily portable it probably fine to have it hosted on your site -- share the 'power'

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Ron wrote on Tue, 17 January 2006 14:24

One idea for authentication is to give out wiki login accounts to those here on HWF that have attained a certain rank.

I'd also recomend only giving out access to people who are willing to disclose who they really are...

-Matt

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mlaub wrote on Wed, 18 January 2006 08:59

Ron wrote on Tue, 17 January 2006 14:24 One idea for authentication is to give out wiki login accounts to those here on HWF that have attained a certain rank. I'd also recomend only giving out access to people who are willing to disclose who they really are... -Matt

Eh, why? Guess I'd better change my handle to JoeG

We're in for a big surprise when crr65536 reveals that that is indeed, it's real name

Either way, I don't think we need to be too concerned (about the Wiki, not the Meklar invasion) - the beauty of Wiki is that edits are tracked so well. So if someone maliciously edited the Wiki, then their changes can be rejected, anonymous author or not.

- Joe

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mlaub wrote on Wed, 18 January 2006 10:59

Ron wrote on Tue, 17 January 2006 14:24 One idea for authentication is to give out wiki login accounts to those here on HWF that have attained a certain rank. I'd also recomend only giving out access to people who are willing to disclose who they really are...

I'll give out access with the same usernames as used here...to keep things simple. PM me for access with your password Can't have too many good editors.

Ron wrote on Tue, 17 January 2006 14:24

It would probably make more sense to host the wiki here on SAH website, but as you said it would be easily portable it probably fine to have it hosted on your site -- share the 'power'

I agree, hosting it on SAH would be better, if for no other reason then because when my friend's data cap is reached the speed drops to 64kbps. For now, I just want it up and running. Oddly, I despise having power, it comes with too much responsibility.

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Its up at http://www.gible.net/wiki/

No edits yet, except for the two help pages and the userrights. You'll have to register to edit anything but registration is open to all for now, please use the same username that you use here at HWF.

Need a good pic for the main page too.

oh..and for now...its sloooow...updating the server...and we(the Sysop and I) suspect their cap has been reached...otherwise it'll be my friend torrenting

[Updated on: Wed, 18 January 2006 02:17]

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Oops - yeah - sorry - had my bandwidth choked this month - too much torrenting and streamed radio sites

Should be sorted in about a couple of days.

Mea Culpa

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Dogthinkers wrote on Tue, 17 January 2006 17:50

mlaub wrote on Wed, 18 January 2006 08:59 Ron wrote on Tue, 17 January 2006 14:24 One idea for authentication is to give out wiki login accounts to those here on HWF that have attained a certain rank. I'd also recomend only giving out access to people who are willing to disclose who they really are... -Matt Eh, why? Guess I'd better change my handle to JoeG We're in for a big surprise when crr65536 reveals that that is indeed, it's real name Either way, I don't think we need to be too concerned (about the Wiki, not the Meklar invasion) - the beauty of Wiki is that edits are tracked so well. So if someone maliciously edited the Wiki, then their changes can be rejected, anonymous author or not. - Joe

Ussss find you, Joe. Repay insssult!

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crr65536 wrote on Mon, 23 January 2006 17:49

Ussss find you, Joe. Repay insssult!

Dang, see what happens when you use your real name... Alien cyborgs come and hunt you down

- J... Uhhhh, Frank.... Yeah, Frank!

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gible wrote on Wed, 18 January 2006 03:11

oh..and for now...its sloooow...updating the server...and we(the Sysop and I) suspect their cap has been reached...otherwise it'll be my friend torrenting

Hi, any progress on this ?

I'd love to start editing this, but right now it's almost unusable.

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afaik its still being upgraded, and I agree its painfully slow to work with. I do my actual editing in a text editor(advanced editing features) and only use the preview/save on the site. Haven't had much time to update it in the last month of so tho since I'm back at school(work). But the bandwidth is there

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Papabear has recently moved house & ISPs, and will likely no longer have a static IP to host gible.net so I'm in the process of moving everything to a new (and faster ) host. Until then, the Wiki is down.

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I've no idea when the data from the old site will be able to be inserted into the new wiki, so I've begun entering new articles anyway.(there wasn't *that* much data) The address for it has changed to http://wiki.gible.net/
Ya'll are welcome to create an account and start editing/writing/copying

Top of my list of things to add to the wiki are:
* Pages to define the wiki structure
* The whole of Stars! FAQ (updated where appropriate of course)
* The whole of the help file.
* Zipped mirrors of now-offline Stars! websites

File uploading (pics etc) will be enabled soon

Edit:And if it ever needs moving again. I have a whole new and better plan to do it

[Updated on: Mon, 06 November 2006 03:40]

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