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Can't get 25k by 2550?!? Wow!

On a more serious note, is that with or without AccBBS? Have you tried Jason Cawley's "the Feds"?

If you're really interested in ITs, maybe you could try this design I've had bouncing around in my head:

<insert clever race name here>
IT
CE, NAS
.58g - 1.72g
-76C - 76C
immune
18%, 1/6 (one click better hab and it says 1/5 though)
1/1000
11/9/15
not checked
10/3/12
Weapons cheap, Construction normal, rest expensive

Obviously this is a HG race, not HP, so I'm going off-topic here. The point is, you should be able to make this hit 25k by 2450 without a problem, especially if you go in small packed instead of tiny and get an extra starting planet (I'm not sure whether the test is supposed to be in small or tiny - it seems like different people use one or the other). You start with Prop 6 ramscoop, which you can use for pop movement because you're radiation immune. You can also use medium freighters or privateers from turn one, choosing whichever suits your starting mineral concentrations better. When you colonize, you bring along enough colonists and minerals to build an orbital fort with a gate in 2-3 years.

The race also keeps remote miners, which can be good for trade since so many people take OBRM. The mine settings are not really nice, and the G box is unchecked, but as IT you can move minerals from places that have them to places that don't very easily.

Now I bet one of the experts around here (I'm a newbie myself) can make some good modifications to my race to make it better. Still, you should be able to get 25k by 2450 very easily with this one.

Jason Cawley also suggested an IT HG race that should be easy to get 25k@2450 with - it's called "The Foundation" and you can read about it here.

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crr65536 wrote on Thu, 14 July 2005 21:26

...The race also keeps remote miners, which can be good for trade since so many people take OBRM.

Well, have you ever checked what's cost for a reasonable fleet of remotes? With reasonable I have in mind an equivelent of at least 2000 mines, preferably 4000. What do you expect to get back for that big investment?
In your situation I'd rather offer remotes for a rent, for modest price of 20% or so of mind minerals, and establish yourself as an "Interstelar Mining and Shipping Company". I bet you'd get lots of friends this way.
BR, Iztok

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[Updated on: Thu, 14 July 2005 18:51]

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[Updated on: Fri, 15 July 2005 15:01]

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Okay, after some testing, I've created what I think would be a working HP IT race. It doesn't satisfy the requirements freakyboy had in mind for his IT, but I think it would work for me. I testbedded it to 34k by 2450 , in Small Packed, with no MM after turn 30, with AccBBS and without Maximum Minerals. It used 25 planets and maxed out at 82k.

Without further ado, the race:

<insert clever name here>
IT
CE, OBRM, NAS
0.67g-2.24g
-100C - 76C
immune
15%, 1/5
1/2500
15/7/20/3g per factory
10/3/20
Weapons cheap, Construction and Propulsion normal, rest expensive and starting at 3
0 points remain

And now, the rationale:

OBRM:
Needed the points, increases planetary production. IT can transport minerals around easily, and with 20 mines operated planets seemed to have enough of them.

NAS, CE:
Both are disadvantages that are mitigated by the IT PRT. I needed the points.

The hab:
IIRC gravity is 24 clicks from the edge, and temperature is 25 clicks from the edge, so even with full terraforming it stays (almost) out of the range where the probability of finding planets drops, while still being slightly shifted to give a few points. Radiation immunity gives more planets and allows you to use the Prop 6 scoop (discussed later).

15%:
Would like to improve this to 16% (17% seems excessive to me), but would have to give up some of the other goodies.

Econ:
Basically standard HP, so far as I can tell. The high number of mines guarantees that at least the HW will be able to export a fair amount of germanium to other planets, and some other high Germanium concentration places will probably export a decent amount too. A perfect planet had 3740 resources per turn, and with the type of hab the race uses you can get a good number of perfect or near-perfect planets.

Tech:
Weapons cheap is pretty much standard.
Construction normal is useful, especially for IT gates.
Propulsion is normal so that you can still get prop 16 in this lifetime, for the warp 8 scoop, 100/any gates, and gravity +

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crr65536 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2005 05:34

"Start at 3" box: ... it allows you to start with the prop 6 scoop (which needs energy 2). Not only is it better than the DLL7 at every speed except 7, but in my testbed I found it very useful for scouting. All your starting ships start with the scoop, and so you can send your scouts out, and they will probably not run out of fuel...

...but will give your neighbours free levels in prop when they'll be hounting down those scouts and give away your PRT and lots of info about LRTs.

Also, for scoops in your ships you'll use germ. The same germ that you'll use for lots of your factories. Since you don't have remotes or better mines, you'll be severely germ-limited, when it will come to massive shipbuilding in late mid game and later. Being HP you aim at long games, but lack of germ will cripple fighting potential of your race there. You better do something about that if you want this race to be successfull.
BR, Iztok

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iztok wrote on Mon, 15 August 2005 05:26

Hi! crr65536 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2005 05:34 "Start at 3" box: ... it allows you to start with the prop 6 scoop (which needs energy 2). Not only is it better than the DLL7 at every speed except 7, but in my testbed I found it very useful for scouting. All your starting ships start with the scoop, and so you can send your scouts out, and they will probably not run out of fuel... ...but will give your neighbours free levels in prop when they'll be hounting down those scouts and give away your PRT and lots of info about LRTs. Also, for scoops in your ships you'll use germ. The same germ that you'll use for lots of your factories. Since you don't have remotes or better mines, you'll be severely germ-limited, when it will come to massive shipbuilding in late mid game and later. Being HP you aim at long games, but lack of germ will cripple fighting potential of your race there. You better do something about that if you want this race to be successfull. BR, Iztok

All the engines except the FM cost germanium, and I figured IFE is not really worth the points, especially for IT. Not taking NRSE gives you more options. If you don't like using the RHRS, you can use the cheaper (in germanium costs) DLL7. In my testbed it worked fine, although that doesn't say anything about real games.

If I used the DLL7 engine, they would get almost as much free prop research anyways. Since the RHRS requires two energy levels, someone killing them might get those cheaper levels instead. And, if you're worried about neighbors "stealing" your technology, you still have the option of sending out little cheap scouts with QJ5's and Bat Scanners. You don't lose anything, at this stage in the game, by not taking NRSE, except possibly a couple of mines or something that would be bought with points from NRSE (which would net fewer points anyways because it would make (disadvantages - advantages) greater than 3). If you're HP, hopefully your diplomatic situation will

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