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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 02 August 2008 08:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Was thinking huge map normal density, as for how many clusters the clusters are 5-10 so average 7 per cluster so divide however many planets are in Huge-normal density by 7 and thats how many clusters there are, and could you post it here I forgot the exact # of planets for that setup. Rolling Eyes


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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 02 August 2008 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is there going to be limits in number of allys? That could cause a mess to the races in the middle Twisted Evil

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 02 August 2008 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No there is no limit to allies


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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 02 August 2008 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just did a test creation of the universe as you have stated in this thread.
Under the following parameters:
240 ly dist between inner planets (3 yrs travel @ W9)
320 ly for the next ring (4 yrs travel @ W9)
400 ly for the next ring (5 yrs travel @ W9)

You can only fit ~37 clusters in the galaxy
A huge normal uni is 800 planets, so that would make an average 21 planets per cluster

I have a sample bit map, but do not know how to post an attachment

[Updated on: Sat, 02 August 2008 16:09]

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 02 August 2008 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Combat wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 14:03

No there is no limit to allies


How about no Allies Very Happy

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 02 August 2008 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Combat wrote on Fri, 25 July 2008 17:16

Travel time should be no more than one year at warp 4 or 5 between planets in the same Solar system but 3-5 or more years at warp 9 between clusters depending on area density.(This may change as the star map is being made.) No prearranged allies.

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[Updated on: Sun, 03 August 2008 17:14] by Moderator




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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 02 August 2008 23:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ThiefLord wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 16:04

Just did a test creation of the universe as you have stated in this thread.
Under the following parameters:
240 ly dist between inner planets (3 yrs travel @ W9)
320 ly for the next ring (4 yrs travel @ W9)
400 ly for the next ring (5 yrs travel @ W9)

You can only fit ~37 clusters in the galaxy
A huge normal uni is 800 planets, so that would make an average 21 planets per cluster

I have a sample bit map, but do not know how to post an attachment


What if you use the low end of the 3/4/5 yrs at w9? say 170/250/330ly?

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sun, 03 August 2008 00:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AlexTheGreat wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 23:30


What if you use the low end of the 3/4/5 yrs at w9? say 170/250/330ly?


Good idea, will try and check that out tomorrow.

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[Updated on: Sun, 03 August 2008 17:13] by Moderator

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sun, 03 August 2008 05:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With 21 planets per cluster it sounds like you need to use a tool that can stretch the size of the universe.

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sun, 03 August 2008 07:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Or just go with fewer planets.


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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Mon, 04 August 2008 21:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yeah....

Huge spare would be already more planets than is comfortable. And you might just be able to fit them in to your parameter of 5-10 per cluster, and the travel ranges.

More planets than huge sparse just makes late game micromanagement for the leaders unbearable.

naz

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Wed, 06 August 2008 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Combat wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 14:03

No there is no limit to allies


I'm not playing, so feel free to ignore me, but what I think would work best in most games is: No limit to allies, but only one player is declared the winner. Winner may thank anyone they want after the game is over.

This often leads to allied victories, but only where one of the allies is clearly ahead. If both allies are about the same, they have an incentive to split the alliance.

It's also very simple to explain and manage for the host.

On a related note, the victory condition I like is that a player may declare victory and if no one denys that victory, then they win. If they do, the declarer then needs to prove to the denyer why they should win... Usually with an invasion.

One problem with this is that it may take a while to exterminate a player, but the game is already over, so a stubborn player could drag the game on past the point of it being fun for anyone.



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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Wed, 06 August 2008 11:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LEit wrote on Wed, 06 August 2008 09:55


I'm not playing, so feel free to ignore me, but what I think would work best in most games is: No limit to allies, but only one player is declared the winner. Winner may thank anyone they want after the game is over.

This often leads to allied victories, but only where one of the allies is clearly ahead. If both allies are about the same, they have an incentive to split the alliance.

It's also very simple to explain and manage for the host.

On a related note, the victory condition I like is that a player may declare victory and if no one denys that victory, then they win. If they do, the declarer then needs to prove to the denyer why they should win... Usually with an invasion.

One problem with this is that it may take a while to exterminate a player, but the game is already over, so a stubborn player could drag the game on past the point of it being fun for anyone.


I prefer single victories, and wish that more people would just use the victory conditions available at game creation. Exceed second place by 100%, at least 50 years: works for me. Turn PPS off if you want everyone to be paranoid. Turn PPS on if you want everyone to gang up on the leader and drag the game out longer.



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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Thu, 07 August 2008 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can I take place at the players list? Who will gather race files?

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Thu, 07 August 2008 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I would like to join this game, please set me on the list.

Have a nice day,

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Thu, 07 August 2008 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Fri, 08 August 2008 02:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is time to send race files. Will we have any limitations of outers and core races numbers?

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 09 August 2008 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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combat said no limit on inner core or outer rim races.

i got a feeling that many ppl are going to go for for outerrim races. and a few battletech enthusiasts defending innersphere.

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 09 August 2008 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Mon, 11 August 2008 03:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Factor wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 15:49

combat said no limit on inner core or outer rim races.

i got a feeling that many ppl are going to go for for outerrim races. and a few battletech enthusiasts defending innersphere.


Then let it be rule "outer race can have not more one ally (or no ally at all)". It will be enough? Or we must set max number of outer races.

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Mon, 11 August 2008 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dashiva wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 02:51

Factor wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 15:49

combat said no limit on inner core or outer rim races.

i got a feeling that many ppl are going to go for for outerrim races. and a few battletech enthusiasts defending innersphere.


Then let it be rule "outer race can have not more one ally (or no ally at all)". It will be enough? Or we must set max number of outer races.




Or outer rim races may not have allies at all.



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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Tue, 12 August 2008 08:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I say no limit to allies because no one will know the political climate untill the game starts going. If 12 of the 16 races are outer rim and they may not ally then thats going to leave 4 races in the core with huge econs and the ability to ally ... seems that would be unfair. Also there is no rule about a outer rim race allying with a core race or whatever. The idea is that your political behavior will affected not only by your choice of race but also by everyone elses choices as well. I was thinking of a win condition that a alliance has to hold 80% of the planets.

The revised list of players is as follows.

Ptolemy?
beanspoon
Alter Ego?
neilhoward
Adacore?
Factor?
Sulpolobus
skoormit
Janne
Shadow Whist
oldmetalhead?
bigcanuknaz?
Dashiva
jools
JoKE
DenHam



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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Sat, 16 August 2008 02:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Have you created the bitmap for UC? Could you please post it together with final universe creation parameters to make it easier to design a race?

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Tue, 19 August 2008 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm interested if someone drops off the list, I see a couple of question marks on there, and as an FYI beanspoon appears to be on vacation, he hasn't been turning into a game we just started.

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Re: Pick your Poison (Based off Solar Systems in Bar) Wed, 20 August 2008 02:55 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Janne wrote on Sat, 16 August 2008 16:06

Have you created the bitmap for UC? Could you please post it together with final universe creation parameters to make it easier to design a race?


Still waiting for that too.

Sulpholobus.

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