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In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Tue, 24 June 2008 08:48 Go to next message
AlexTheGreat is currently offline AlexTheGreat

 
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Location: Sydney, Australia
Experience: Beginner (has played no more than 2 games)

# Players: 4-5

Universe: Small. Density normal (4 players) or dense (5 players). Average # planets per player = 32.

Other Game settings: Positions = Distant, Beginner Max. Minerals, ABBS, Public Scores appear in 2450, Galaxy Clumping.

PRTs ALLOWED:
CA (must leave 150 RW points set to defences)
JOAT (must leave 50 RW points set to defences)
IS, SD, IT. (no penalty)
i.e the races that are easiest to handle for beginners.

VC: winner by majority agreement among active players or player ranked #1 in 2480.

Diplomacy: Normal - this is a much under appreciated aspect with beginners so I don't want to discount it (but see below).

Special Rule: From 2450 onwards the player ranked #1 CANNOT have allies & all agreements made by that race will be rendered void. If an alliance agreement exists at the time a player is forced out of it by this rule then an automatic 5-year NAP between the previously allied players comes into force (that means that the NAP still exists after 5 years & that first possible battle occurs in the 6th year).

No cheats other than chaff (it's important that a beginner gets a good handle on that) & split fleet.

Gen Schedule:
Daily or MTWTF if anyone has a problem with weekends. After 2420 any request to slow down to 50 hours max or MWF will be granted.

I am looking for a 3rd party to critique the player's race designs so that noone starts the game with a broken race.
Joseph has volunteered - thank you Joseph. Players should send their race file to Joseph by PM or at josephgliddon AT hotmail DOT com


PLEASE DO NOT join this game if you are likely to drop when things get tough.

NOTE: Effluvient Walrus suggests that 100 RW is an insufficient penalty for a CA. He is right (200-220 would be normal I think) but since this is a game for beginners I don't want to go that far - I've increased it to 150 RW. A JOAT would normally attract a penalty of around 100 RW but I've set it to 50 RW for the same reason.

Player List
Beanspoon
Effluvient Walrus
Airny
Factor
Tibia

GAME FULL. If more beginners want to join I'll post a 2nd game.

Queue for 2nd Game
oldmetalhead


Send your final race file to me at mcdonaldjk at bigpond dot com. If you put a password on your race file let me know what it is.

CORRUPT RACE FILES
If you create a race file & then change your race name you will probably corrupt it (it's a bug) so the easiest thing to do is either don't change the race name or write down the design & recreate the race file.

[Updated on: Sun, 29 June 2008 03:10]

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Tue, 24 June 2008 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adacore is currently offline Adacore

 
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I'm in, if noone else wants the last spot. Given it's a reasonably small game and my other beginners game seems to be in limbo.

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Tue, 24 June 2008 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i would love to play, but i guesss i'm a few minutes too slow =(
i havent played a game w/ human players before, i might need help with making a race suitable for playing against human players.

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Tue, 24 June 2008 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tibia can take the last spot, if he still wants it.

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Tue, 24 June 2008 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joseph is currently offline joseph

 
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I will volenteer to critique the player races.
I love race design me, a flaw I have is Im not fond of HP style races - but with this universe they dont want a HP anyway.

I will also include a brief "what you should be trying to do with this race is..." if you think thats a good idea.

I am pm-able and if that doesnt suit then Alex has my email.



Joseph
"Can burn the land and boil the sea. You cant take the Stars from me"

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Tue, 24 June 2008 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Effluviant Walrus is currently offline Effluviant Walrus

 
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OK, I'll have my race in in a day or so, just want to do some testbedding...

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Tue, 24 June 2008 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AlexTheGreat wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 08:48



I am looking for a 3rd party to critique the player's race designs so that noone starts the game with a broken race. VOLUNTEER PLEASE.



I have been playing for a few years and am willing to help critique player race designs. Please send your race files to dk20rl at gmail dot com if you would like some advice.

For new players, I suggest that you stay away from -f, HP, and other unconventional race designs for now as they are harder to play. The standard/conventional HG race designs are the most forgiving race designs to play.

My races designs are not as innovative as those of other players. They tend to be conservative, but they are playable usually Smile

Robert

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Tue, 24 June 2008 18:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tibia is currently offline Tibia

 
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thanks adacore.

@alex: i might need a day or 2 to develop a race and get some advising.

[Updated on: Tue, 24 June 2008 18:12]

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Tue, 24 June 2008 18:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AlexTheGreat is currently offline AlexTheGreat

 
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We have 5 players so the game is now full.

If 4 or more extra players want in then I can set up a 2nd game so I'll leave the thread open for a while to see if that is so.

Joseph & Orange have both volunteered to critique the race designs. I know that both are fine players but Joseph responded first so if you could PM your race designs & any race PW to him thay would be great. Thanks to both Joseph & Orange.

Once final designs are settled & sent to me I will generate the game. If noone dawdles too much I expect that to be a few days to a week.

The final step is for Ron to set up the game at AH & that typically takes a few days. Once up & going Ron will send you your files, a link to the game page & a PW for up/downloading your turns. I will provide more instructions on procedure at that time.

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If you are doing a second game, count me in Very Happy

I've only been in 3 games, and one of those FUBAR'ed out.



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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Wed, 25 June 2008 18:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've got the java autohost thing, because I like gadgets...should make the whole up/download thing easier Very Happy


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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Thu, 26 June 2008 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joseph is currently offline joseph

 
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Right - so far I have seen one race (and will be having a look at V2 of the race this evening).

If any others want their race reviewed either pm me or
josephgliddon AT hotmail DOT com



Joseph
"Can burn the land and boil the sea. You cant take the Stars from me"

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Fri, 27 June 2008 02:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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joseph wrote on Thu, 26 June 2008 11:26

Right - so far I have seen one race (and will be having a look at V2 of the race this evening).

If any others want their race reviewed either pm me or
josephgliddon AT hotmail DOT com


My intention with Joseph's race critiques is to ensure that everyone has a good race design since one of the big problems with beginners is that their race doesn't perform & that leads to reduced fun for the player & even a tendency to drop.

Joseph is very good at race design & it is highly likely that he can suggest improvements to whatever you design. Of course it's your race so noone is going to force you to make changes if you don't want to but IMO you'd be crazy not to at least hear his comments before you make such a decision.

So roll up, roll up & get the good oil from Joseph.

[Updated on: Fri, 27 June 2008 02:07]

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Fri, 27 June 2008 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If, aside from having fun, the objective of this game is for beginners to learn as much as possible, how about some delayed coaching while the games goes on. It is generally better to get feedback 2 weeks later than 3-4 months later when you have forgotten why you did as you did.

By 'delayed coaching' I mean giving players feedback on turns 5 turns older than the turn currently being played. Players should make their own decisions not influenced by anyone and you wouldn't want some mentor's advice to influence the game too much, hence the delay.

If you think it's a good idea, I won't mind to try and act as 'coach' for one player.

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Fri, 27 June 2008 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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FYI - If anyone is interested in looking at good races designed by experts, there are many race designs of all types in the articles on race design on the Stars! wiki

http://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/

I also available as a coach for one player who is interested - same conditions as above except for discussions of general strategy and tactics.


Edited by ccmaster

[Updated on: Wed, 26 January 2011 06:12] by Moderator

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Fri, 27 June 2008 18:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AlexTheGreat wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 02:03


Joseph is very good at race design & it is highly likely that he can suggest improvements to whatever you design. Of course it's your race so noone is going to force you to make changes if you don't want to but IMO you'd be crazy not to at least hear his comments before you make such a decision.

So roll up, roll up & get the good oil from Joseph.




I sent my race design, but it's corrupted, so I'm trying again. I read somewhere about the file being corrupted sometimes but didn't really understand it =/

perrindom wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 11:56


If you think it's a good idea, I won't mind to try and act as 'coach' for one player.



Then you can be my coach =)



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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Fri, 27 June 2008 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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beanspoon wrote on Sat, 28 June 2008 00:03

I sent my race design, but it's corrupted, so I'm trying again. I read somewhere about the file being corrupted sometimes but didn't really understand it =/

Uh oh. You better take a look at the Known Bugs (JRC3) - Coding bugs (Coding Bugs -> Race File Corruption) Sherlock




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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Fri, 27 June 2008 22:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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beanspoon wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 18:03

I sent my race design, but it's corrupted, so I'm trying again. I read somewhere about the file being corrupted sometimes but didn't really understand it =/



Also see the game post above - I mentioned it, said what the usual cause was + how to avoid the problem. Confused

About delayed coaching:
Excellent!! However I feel that if 2-3 players have a coach and the others don't that would be unfair. So if we can get a coach for all 5 player (less anyone who doesn't want one) let's do it.

So we need 3 more coaches if we can get them.

My goodness, we may have created 5 cadres here - watch out next time you see them you guys! Rolling Eyes

[Updated on: Sat, 28 June 2008 07:39]

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Sat, 28 June 2008 05:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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whos gonna be my coach?

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Sun, 29 June 2008 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have now seen and replied to 4 races.
Some are ready to go - some are still thinking about things.

Looks like this could be an interesting game.
Oh and I will coach someone - however dont tell me who yet.



Joseph
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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Mon, 30 June 2008 01:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have received 2 final race designs (Effuvient Walrus, Airny). 3 to go.

With Joseph we have 3 coach. Looking for two more.

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Mon, 30 June 2008 03:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My design is currently having final moderation. Should be the final draft.


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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners UPDATE Tue, 01 July 2008 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've now received 3 final & legal races as follows:
Effluvient Walrus (race file in)
Airny (race file in)
Beanspoon (race file in)

Awaiting Factor & Tibia.

I'm still looking for 2 Intermediate or above players to coach a begginer.

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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Wed, 02 July 2008 04:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has joseph seen all the race files? Then at least we know that the last two are on their way.


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Re: In The Beginning: A game for beginners (replaces "Presets" ...) Wed, 02 July 2008 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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hey sorry, i just came back from vacation, from long weekend.
Its good to be a CanEHdian.

i'll be sending race files to joseph before tonight.

and then hopefully submitting to autohost before the weekend.

[Updated on: Wed, 02 July 2008 16:46]

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